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Eye Magazine on the Ubuntu libre fonts
Dave Crossland
2012-09-03 16:32:34 UTC
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Hi!

"as designers become more used to designing for a digital world, could
the future of typography lie in open source, sharing, modifications
and discussion?"
- http://www.eyemagazine.com/feature/article/free-for-all

:-D

Cheers,
Dave
vernon adams
2012-09-03 17:09:28 UTC
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That is one weird article ;)

a) The development & release of the Ubuntu Font is old news.
b) Bruno Maag has nothing but diss for free type.

what's that all about? =)
Post by Dave Crossland
Hi!
"as designers become more used to designing for a digital world, could
the future of typography lie in open source, sharing, modifications
and discussion?"
- http://www.eyemagazine.com/feature/article/free-for-all
:-D
Cheers,
Dave
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vernon adams
2012-09-04 03:43:04 UTC
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Thomas,

But surely the big chunk of proprietary font development is also carried out by 'less experienced designers', and/or designers that 'are young and don't have a family to support', and/or 'live in countries with significantly lower income expectations than the usa'. ? Those qualitities seem symptomatic of the majority of font designers, irrelevant of what licensing model they publish their fonts under. It's a small minority of font designers that are 'well paid' .

Exactly the same problems exists with raising funds too; only the big companies have proper money to spend on fully funded font development; independent foundries and individuals do not. The boon in 'open source' and free fonts is simply another sign of designers sidetepping the old 'ye must go cap in hand to the big companies', and instead finding new economies and new ways of paying the bills by designing fonts.

-v
The harder problem to solve is one of funding. When a big company is willing to pay something resembling market rates for a commissioned font, people are happy to make one, and many or most type designers won't mind if the resulting font is made open source.
But more often than not, there isn't a situation like that. So far Kickstarter and Google Web Fonts have not generally been paying that kind of money.
- are less experienced type designers;
- have some special love for the open source model;
- are young and don't have to support a family;
- live in countries with significantly lower income expectations than the USA.
vernon adams
2012-09-05 02:46:33 UTC
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I think of all proprietary font development, you may very well be right.
i am right ;)
Yet, I believe (and hope I am correct) that a majority of type design *for hire* is reasonably well paid. Most proprietary type design is done by people who will own the fruits of their labors afterwards. They can hope that some of their stuff will be super-popular and make them a comfortable living. It's risky, but they are also making a long-term investment in a library of fonts, and the more they have, the more long-term income they may get.
Sure. And it's great when that happens. But the reality behind the stage where those individuals reach 'comfortable living' is a huge amount of hard work and often not living comfortably. Average all that out, and you get something unextraordinary, in return for a lot of work. It's still good, but nothing to be in awe of.
But of those type designers who have a full-time employer who owns their work, most of them make a passable living at it, even by first-world standards. That seems like a reasonable hope.
A lot of mid to large foundries / studios seem to rely on a lot of 'intern work', and low to 'ok' wages. E.g. anyone with a family to support, living in a European city, could probably not afford to work for those wages. Certainly not in the UK. The proprietors probably live well though.
To my mind, open source type design ought to have a similar reward structure as work-for-hire, insofar as the type designer won't own the fruits of their labor and needs to be compensated accordingly.
I dont think 'open source type design' is a generalised model that you can pin down like that. It's diverse and generally anarchic; pin one bit down and another bit will simply pop up where you don't want it to.
Of course, it may be that in the era of globalization and interconnectedness, much type design is simply going to move to places where the cost of living is lower. We've seen it happen with a variety of kinds of tech jobs. Quite possibly it will happen with type design as well.
I agree, but i don't think you should think solely geographical. I think these things will move into allsorts of new areas of practice, economy and publishing.
Of course, that raises the question of training. Almost all the degrees and certificate programs in type design are in the first world, with the exception of the Universidad de Buenos Aires. One hopes this will change. (This is not to say that great type designers can't be self-taught, or apprentice on the job. But I have been impressed with the quality of training from some of these programs. I think their overall impact in the past decade, on type design as a career, has been very large.)
Type design programs will probably have to adapt to the new realities much quicker than they have done, so far. The gap gets bigger every academic year.


-v

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